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everyone. i'm laura coates, and this is "cnn tonight." tyre nichols laid to rest ton tonight. the 29-year-old who was just trying to get home beaten beyond recognition by police officers just about 80 yards from his own front door. the horrific scenes were caught on camera. the d.a. down in memphis says up to 20 more hours including audio from after the beating and after the ambulance takes tyre nichols to the hospital has yet to be released, but apparently it is forthcoming. tyre nichols' mother grieving. calling for the passage of the george floyd justice and policing act. >> i just need whatever that george floyd bill needed passed. we need to take some action because there should be no other child that should suffer the way my son and all the other parents
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here have lost their children. we need to get that bill passed because if we don't that blood, the next child that dies, that blood is going to be on their heads. >> a sorority no one wants to be a part of. his older sister, tyre nichols' sister saying she's heart brogan at the loss of her own brother. >> it left me completely heartbroken. i see the world showing him love and fighting for his justice, but all i want is my baby brother back. >> her baby brother, tyre nichols, was laid to rest in memphis.
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memphis of extraordinary significance not only because it's where he lived and wher e he died. >> invoked that moment and talked about how before the funeral he actually visited lorraine motel with his youngest daughter. >> to fight for garbage workers, city employees that had no safety to have been killed with a malfunction.
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and here less than 55 years later looking at the balcony where martin luther king shed his blood for city workers, for black city workers to be able to work in the police department, work in sanitation. and the reason why, mr. and mrs. wells, what happened to tyre is so personal to me is that five black men that wouldn't have had a job in the police department would not ever be thought of to be in an elite squad. in a city that dr. king lost his life, not far away from that balcony you beat a brother to
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death. people had to march and go to jail and some lost their lives to open the doors for you. and how dare you. act like that sacrifice was for nothing. >> i want to expand on very point and bring in michael eric dyson, distinguished university professor of ethics and society at vanderbilt university's divinity school. michael eric dyson, what a moment. and frankly, far too many moments in the hour of america's history. and i wonder from your perspective you were at the funeral today, so emotional. the idea of it happening in memphis in particular, the idea of the sacrifice that reverend sharpton spoke about with respect to dr. king, tell me what went through your mind
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today. >> yes, i was there, spent a lot of time with reverend sharpton. the brutal paradox he underscored that martin luther king jr. at 39 years old standing in front of room 306 on the lorraine motel balcony where a report rang out against -- across the parking lot, felling the greatest leader for civil rights we've ever seen in this nation, exploding his report inside his jaw, cutting his necktie off at the knot, he fell backgrounds on the ground. his legs were bicycling through the banister. his best friend went into the room, extracted a board from the laundered shirt and scooped his blood into a jar saying this is the blood of the prophets. that moment in black america and indeed american history is monumental. so much so that a man who was felled by an assassin's bullet is now raised 19 feet above the
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highest monument on the sacred ground of washington, d.c. as a representative of this nation's best ideals. in that city because of his efforts black police people, black fire people were able to gain employment. and what reverend sharpton underscored today of that brutal paradox is that the very progress made by martin luther king jr. and all, et al, has now been undercut by a vicious if you will enunciation by the fundamental structure of democracy and racial loyalty. the way reverend sharpton spliced those together is especially important. because here were five black cops who beat to death a black man. and as vice president kamala harris said at the hands and feet of black men who were ostensible brothers to this black man, whose struggle martin
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luther king jr. made possible their very jobs, undercut the very people he loved. it is a jarring reminder of just how complicated these issues are. >> i do want to get deeper into that. you mentioned the words, the phrase racial loyalty. and in fact reverend sharpton spoke about the insulting nature of it being five black men in addition, of course, and it should not be lost on anyone -- i know it's not lost on you as well the power dynamic of abusive power and those who are powerful that also are black. but listen to what reverend sharpton mentioned about the particular insult of it being black men. listen. >> there's nothing more insulting and offensive to those of us that fight to open doors that you walk through those doors and act like the folks we had to fight for to get you through them doors. you didn't get on the police
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department by yourself. the police chief didn't get there by herself. people had to march and go to jail, and some lost their lives to open the doors for you. and how dare you act like that sacrifice was for nothing. >> in many respects, michael eric dyson, we talk a lot about the idea of diversifying the powers that be, having seats at the table with the hope that when one has a seat at the table they will inevitably not have their community on the menu. but here from what we've seen with tyre nichols there is something perverse albeit it perhaps not as shocking as we'd like to believe, that people in power will abuse it. speak to me about the particularity of the racial
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loyalty that you speak of. >> the fact is this that when we speak about racial loyalty we're premising that upon the fact that we have struggled together, we have endured oppression together. we know implicitly, almost intuitively what it means to be subject to adversary forms of power that have been exercised upon our black bodies. so the last thing we want to do is turn around and replicate the very thing that in one sense pointed us out as people who were exceptions to the american dream as opposed to recipients of it. so when you've got five black cops that we have worked for, that we have struggled for, that we have as reverend sharpton said marched on their behalf to put them there, for them to undercut us is a strike especially brutal. let's be honest in minnesota as well with george floyd look at the multiracial fact, two white
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cops, an asian cop, and a black cop killed a black man. so here's the point. you can have multiculturism and diversity that is not just. that was an act of diversity in minnesota, and yet it was not toward justice. this was an act of racial progress by having black men on a force, but it was not toward justice. this is why martin luther king jr. said it's not white versus black, it's right versus wrong. and dr. king said let us not replace black supremacy with white supremacy. people thought he was off his rocker, that he was exaggerating. he understood at the end of the day those who willed and possessed power will be tempted to brutalize those without that power. and what we saw in this case is that men were using their badges and guns as pretexts to exercise the lethal force and ferocity of
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their power in the same way we complain about white brothers and sisters doing the same against us. if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. and we've got to stand up against it as an act of the ultimate racial loyalty to our principles and practices. >> as an act of humanity, indeed. michael eric dyson, always a pleasure to get your insight in particular on these particular matters. and frankly, we've discussed topics like this for far too long you and i together and beyond. >> yes, ma'am, thank you so much for having me. and thank you for doing such a good job during this. >> thank you, michael. i want to bring in a woman who knows all too well what tyre nichols' family is going through tonight. emeral gardener is the daughter of eric gardener who died after being placed in a choke hold by police officer and his final words i can't breathe were captured on video to become a
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rallying cry for police reform and black lives matter movement. emeral garner joins me now. to think about this phrase that keeps going through my mind never again and once again here we are. and i'm always struggling as i know you are trying to figure out how we get to never again lasting. tell me about what it's been like for you each time we hear instances and you see instances of police encounters that have turned deadly. it must be particularly triggering and especially sad for you. talk to me about what it's been like today. >> i first want to send my love and light to the family of tyre nichols. if nobody else understands what you're going through, i understand what you're going through. and it's absolutely triggering. it plays on, you know, all of my
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emotions. it just brings up old feelings and it's like ptsd where you get stuck and you fall back into the emotions of what you felt or what i felt nine years ago, almost nine years ago. >> it's important you said that, and i think people really understand that this is continuing. this is nothing that has an end date for what happens. and the fact you have been through and are still going through this i wonder in particular, you know, in the media there's always a tendency to shine the light and the cameras present, but there's a point in time when the cameras go away and the red light stops and attentions turn in a different direction. what is left for the family who is behind? what is that process ahead for the family of tyre nichols? >> it's going to be a lot of
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emotions. you know, i just completed my first memoir which walked folks through what i was going through from the day that my father was killed up until now. we needed mental health services. i want people to reach out to provide those services, bereavement services. i encourage people to go to my website and just look at the many ways that i've been healing over the past couple of years, things i've been doing to get myself to a place where i can wake up and get out of the house every day. it's very hard. they're going to need time. you know, right there's a lot of cameras, there's a lot of excitement. everyone wants to be there, but it's a very different feeling when those cameras go away because you're left with your thoughts, you're left with your feelings. you're left with the emotion that you have to keep reliving every day that you -- that you go through these emotions. >> and his mother today spoke about the idea of her son having an assignment, an assignment from god and that the only solace she's able to take as she is trying to even approach grief
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is that the assignment is complete. and yet you had vice president kamala harris today -- i want to play for you this moment because she spoke about an assignment that's legislative in part, and that has to do with how to codify the grief in a way that is productive and prevents. and listen to what she said to say about the george floyd justice and policing act just today. >> i was as a senator, as a united states senator a coauthor of the original george floyd justice and policing act. and as vice president of the united states we demand that congress pass the george floyd justice and policing act. joe biden will sign it, and we should not delay, and we will not be denied.
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it is nonnegotiable. >> what was your reaction to her saying that today? >> to be honest i didn't watch the funeral. i spent today doing things that were emotionally fulfilling for me because i knew that if i went there i would be setback to eight years ago, you know, almost nine years ago. and i didn't hear her say that, but that is what we need. myself i've been working on plenty of campaigns. we've got the eric garner choke hold act signed into the new york state legislation. if you visit my website www.wecan www.wecan'tbreathe.net it gives you a list of the things we did last year. this is what we need to show the public we have strong people with us. we needed her to say that. that was a need. it caught me up. my whole energy just changed because i'm excited about it. we need these legislations to be passed, and the only way we can
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get these things down is if we mobilize together. we need to have these things done because we don't want to see another tyre nichols, another eric gardner. we need this list. we can have these conversations all day. we can have people come on and give their opinions, have people march and protest. but when it really counts we really need people to stand with us. and i've seen it time and time again people come, they say i've got you, we're here, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. and then three months go by you never hear them again, one year goes by and you never hear them again until it's anversy, until there's a birthday or something. my sister died three years after my father and we decided to name the organization we can't breathe because we're a collective, and without my sister and my father, i'm not able to breathe easy. i'm really not because i'm missing them. i should be here with my sister fighting for my father, but now
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i have to fight for my sister and my father. so i relate 100% to everybody that attended the funeral. they needed to see people, and i just want the people to continue to stand with them, stay with them and be with them and support them through their time of need. they're going to need a lot of people. one person can't just help. they need a village of people to help them. >> emred, i'm so glad i got a chance to talk to you tonight and hear your perspective in particular. it's so important. and look, if we're going to talk about putting our money -- putting our money where our mouth is, maybe put legislation ought to be as well. >> thank you. everyone, when we come back why hunter biden's attorneys want an investigation of what they call efforts to weaponize his personal data purported to have come from his own laptop against his father. why the aggressive new legal strategy, and will it be
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delaware repair shop. the personalidate uh-uh peers to be a trove of financial documents, e-mails, and photos including some potentially salacious material. joining me to discuss all this cnn legal analyst elie honing and author of the brand new book "powerful people." let's talk about this hunter biden strategy we're learning about. it does mark a shift, right? >> hunter biden on the offensive. this is quite an attack he's launching on a range of possibilities. on the one hand he may have a point on some of this. it is a federal crime to essentially hack, to access someone's information on a computer without authorization. and if you get that kind of information to knowingly spread it. he has a point there. he's also lodging defamation claims against certain people he knows knowingly spread false
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information against him. even if he's right none of the things has anything to do with what he's under investigation for. he's under investigation for potential tax fraud, so he can be right. the best defense is a good offense, but it's not really going to protect him from the justice department if they see fit to indict him. >> and the talking point is to connect that behavior with anything to the president of the united states and try to bridge that gap. and we know logic doesn't always come into play there. speaking of his father, president biden, there was a search. they did not recover anything from the fbi of classified docs. tell me why you think the search is continuing. it's obviously no longer an honors system. >> they have to exhaust all possibilities into the ground. good news for joe biden, no classified documents were found in that beach house. fbi has clearly decided we need to search every home, residence, office and make sure we have everything and then they'll do the especially counsel's job of deciding if there's anything criminal. >> interesting as well we're hearing a lot about the charges coming and throwing around the
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former president of the united states, donald trump. one in particular had people scratching their heads. it relates to hush money payments to stormy daniels. now, your book actually it's an incredible one. it's called "untouchable" and an unbelievable read. you reveal in the book your former office sdny first looked at this at a federal level but never charged. >> i reveal in the book what was happening behind closed doors at our former birthplace, the united states justice department back in 201 when trump is leaving office. now he can be indicted by the justice department and my district of new york decided not to charge him. they decided they had problems with credibility of michael cohen. and they felt while they could have indicted, they were wary about the practical and political falls of potentially indicting a former president. and they also felt conversely
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that, well, he's done all these other more significant things, this is just weeks after january 6th, so they gave it a pass. now two years later across the street the state prosecutor of the manhattan d.a. is reviving this and seemingly going through a lot of the steps i went through in that book. we'll see if the d.a. reaches the same conclusion or perhaps a different conclusion. >> also good information there. they ought to read it. >> this book "untouchable how do people get away with it." that question is i'm sure the number one question you get about how we do two justice systems one for the wealthy and one for everybody else. your book does case studies about this very notion. how are people getting away with it? >> i think i can help people understand that because people like to look into the criminal justice system. in a way this book is a look into your book because you take your experiences as a prosecutor and you examine some of the
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inequities, some of the disadvantages people face and i take the same perspective. i'm looking at the advantages embedded in our laws and frankly as you do i examine the role of prosecutors and i say we do our best, we have the high principles, but we don't always live up to that. and i do call out in this book several prosecutors who i think failed to pursue justice against powerful people. >> you talk about jeffrey epstein, bill cosby, talk about trump. merrick garland doesn't escape your gaze as well in this book. >> merrick garland has been straight, he's been honest, but thus far he's been up to the task of holding powerful people to account. maybe that will change but he hasn't done it i et. >> the book again is "untouchable how powerful people get away with it." >> look, black taxpayers do you realize are at least three times more likely to be audited by the
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irs, this according to a new study. the question is why is this happening? i'm going to ask a top treasury department official all about it from this black taxpayer next.
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well, it's a notice nearly every american has dreaded receiving, a tax audit from the irs. they're long, they're complicated, and according to a new study they impact some americans disproportionately more than others. that study from research at stanford university found black taxpayers are at least three times as likely to be audited other taxpayers. the question is why. well, it's not because of bias with individual agents but really discrimination in the computer algorithms the agency uses to determine who should be targeted. joining me now is deputy treasury secretary joining us now. nice to have you here, secretary. thank you for joining. you know, when i first read about this study and the results of it, the idea of three times as likely for black taxpayers to be audited is pretty startling
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to a lot of people. help me break down these findings and about this idea it's not individual bias by an irs agent but rather it's an algorithm that is the problem. >> laura, thank you so much for having me. and from the beginning for the president, secretary yellen and myself, we've been focused on making sure we fairly administer the tax code, and it isn't fair working class black americans or working class people in general are more likely to be audited than millionaires in america. but because of underfunding for the irs for the last ten years, millionaires are 80% less likely to be audited today than they were ten years ago. and the challenge you face is that it's really easy to audit someone like you or me who gets a w-2 and gets a paycheck that the irs can look at. but it's far harder to audit wealthy individuals, people who
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earn most of their money not through paychecks but by collecting through stocks and partnerships and things complicated. and that's why the president has pushed so hard for the $80 billion the irs received as part of the inflation reduction act, money that's going to help the irs improve their technology and also improve audits against wealthy individuals. the secretary committed the money used to update the irs is going to be focused ongoing after wealthy tax cheats who make more than $140,000 a year. those will ensure those people most likely to hide money from the tax system are those we go after going forward. >> the idea thinking about that and as you mentioned it might be very counter intuitive for people to think the more complicated the tax returns and the idea people are able to put money here and put money there, that that would be the likely person not to be held to literal accounting on these issues. i remember seeing pictures of what is the irs cafeteria in
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austin being covered in boxes as a result of having all of the underfbut this idea and the correlation of the earned income tax credit really interests me in particular because there is a correlation as you mention the income level and those who are going to be taking advantage of certain programs, not exploiting but taking advantage of opportunities to do so that the racial disparities and the wealth gaps that we have in our country really contribute in part to the algorithm being able to disproportionally impact and really put in a position black and brown people in this country. >> laura, you know this well given the reporting you've done on it, but the reality is that people who earn a paycheck in the working class are often the ones who are hid hardest by things like this, and that's why the president and the secretary have been focused on making sure that we get the funding to ensure that we can setup a tax
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system that pushes for fairness, not only fairness but puts us in a position to earn money from the people most likely to have money to hide going forward -- >> excuse me, one moment. i don't want to cut you off but i am interested in this particular point. i know we're talking about an inkreegs in funding and i don't pretend to be a steve jobs or a w w wozniak but why is the algorithm contingent on funding? >> we're working to fix the algorithm but also to fix it in a way that allows us to go after those most likely to hide large amounts of money going forward. so it's not only we need to make sure the tax code is administered in a way that is fair for all americans, which is essential and something the president has called on the irs to do, we have been working to do that. but the thing we also want to do
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is make sure that we're going to use the resource of the irs to go after those people who are the least likely to pay for things we need in america likeed we know those are wealthy americans who make more than $400,000 a year. so i agree with you one of the things we need to do is address the challenges we have with our technology system and improve that to icsure the tax code is administered fairly and in addition to do that we raise money for the things we need to do in this country. >> i want to play for you when speaker mccarthy got elected and got that gavel one of his first orders was to address the irs. listen to this real quick. >> i know the night is late, but when we come back our very first bill will repeal the funding for 87,000 -- we believe government should be to help you, not go after you. >> you've got a pretty steep hurdle if that's one of the first orders of business in
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terms of funding. >> and i want to just make sure we're all aware why they're going after the irs. it's because they know that if you fund the irs what it means is that you're going to be able to fix things like our technology infrastructure, to put us in a position to go after wealthy tax cheats and to also improve services. because, frankly, one of the things that working class people and middle class people want are better services going forward. with the money we've already had we've hired 5,000 new people to be on the phones. we're offering better services to people who get the earned income tax credit so they can file their taxes properly so we can lower the audit rates of those individuals going forward. today the irs has as many employees as they had in 1970 and their technology system is based on 1960s technology. we need to upgrade those things to make sure we're in a position where we can go after the people who are the most likely to hide money from the irs that can be used to pay for things we need in this country.
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and those are wealthy tax cheats and those who earn more than $400,000. >> before we go i want to get your thoughts on speaker mccarthy and president biden on the debt ceiling. mccarthy saying he told the president that the house would not pass a clean debt ceiling with no strings attached. meanwhile president biden, of course, saying he won't negotiate over the debt limit and he welcomes a separate discussion. where do things stand today? >> so the president made clear that he had a frank conversation with the speaker, and he's also made clear he's happy to talk about how we can reduce our debts and deficits. and by the way, we've reduceed the deficit by $1.7 trillion over the course of the president's two years. the thing he's not willing to do is have that conversation where threatening to default on the nation's obligations. we need to pay for things for our troops and social security. the president has a plan to do so and we look forward to having that conversation.
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>> secretary, thank you for your time this evening. i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. up next, everyone, tom brady is retiring, dot, dot, dot, again but will it stick this time? and what does his ex-wife giselle have to say y about it? well, bob costas breaks it down after this. my mental health was much better, but i struggled with uncontrollable movements called td, tardive dyskinesia. td c be caused by some mental health meds. and it's unlikely to improve without treatmen i felt like my movements we in the spotlight. ingrezza is a prescription medicine to treat adults
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well, apparently this time it's official official. superstar quarterback tom brady says he is retiring and that he means it this time. >> i'll get to the point right away. i'm retiring for good. i know the process was a pretty big deal last time so when i woke up this morning i figured i'd just press record and let you guys know first. so won't be long-winded. you only get one super emotional
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retirement essay and i used mine up last year. >> no one better to talk about tom brady retiring than the great bob costas. you saw this announcement today, bob. it comes a year to the day of the first retirement, and he really is one of the most decorated players of all-time. can you speak to what he means not just to football but to sports at large? >> well, he's among a handful of all-time great athletes who transsends his sport in terms of awareness to the general public beyond those who otherwise wouldn't be that interested in the game. tiger woods, michael jordan, serena williams, talking about relatively contemporary athletes. you go back further you talk about babe ruth and other people in that sort of category. and brady certainly is in that category. somebody doesn't have to know a screen pass from a field goal to know who tom brady is. so he's got fame, but it's an
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earned fame. his achievements are extraordinary. you could say that in some respects peyton manning rivalled him, certainly his greatest contemporary. joe mon tanna went to four super bowls, won them all, through 11 touch down passes and no interceptions in those four games. but on sheer volume of achievement and longevity nobody rivals brady. went to ten super bowls, won seven of them. now, last year when he changed his mind about retirement he was coming off a season where he led the nfl in yards passing, well over 5,000 yards. and the tampa bay bucks had won the super bowl the year before and nearly beat the rams in the playoffs, the team that ultimately went onto win the super bowl. so you can see him thinking i'm pretty close, i've got a chance to go back. and this year his team went 8 and 9 in regular season, only
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got into the playoffs they won a weak division and he had a poor playoff with his team. maybe that told him at age 45 even though he can still play well he'll never play as great as he once did. and he couldn't reach that peak in tampa and he'll have to move again, find another team. and he's got family issues, kids in florida. i have no doubt this is final. >> i will say this was the first regular season -- first losing record, frankly, for brady. you did mention people like peyton manning and serena williams as a contemporary. serena saying i'm getting teary-eyed watching this. welcome to the retirement world again. peyton manning saying it was an honor and privilege to compete against him on the field and i appreciate him off the field.
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and his ex-wife saying i wish you wonderful things in this new chapter of your life. what do you think the next chapter does hold? we heard the first time there were talks about him becoming a sports analyst. is that next? >> well, yeah. he's got a deal with fox sports that reportedly calls for $375 million over ten years. it involves him at least in theory being the color man or analyst on their number one broadcast team. but beyond that he's going to be an ambassador for all of their entrants. so think of the value to saying to a potential partner, corporate partner of some kind, sponsor, hey, want to play golf with tom brady? let's discuss this deal over lunch, we'll have tom brady join us. that may have greater value in the long run than his skills as a broadcaster whatever those skills might be. but in the immediate future fox has the super bowl this year, so i would expect he'll be part of their coverage not in the game itself, but there's a six-hour
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pregame and a half time and post game. and they'd be very foolish not to want tom brady to be front and center as part of that. >> i don't know maybe rihanna will have him as part of her half time show and maybe we'll like it. who knows how that will work. >> tom brady and rihanna, your half time entertainment. >> i would watch. >> why didn't i think of that? >> i don't know. but if it sticks, it was my idea. remember that bob costas. >> yes, you have a patent on it. it's yours. >> it's take it. thank you so much. and everyone, listen, the mystery at the zoo -- yes, the dallas zoo is deepening. new details from the dallas zoo where animals kekeep getting tampered with. stay with us.. they can help you create a retirement-income plan designed to balance growth and guaranteed income. and provide access to specialists who help with estate planning
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multiple mysteries at the dallas you. this time, it is good news. the zoo says the monkeys that were recovered by police yesterday are helping and uninjured, their names are bella and finn, they are seen in a quarantine enclosure where there are going to stay for a little while before returning to the regular habitat. veterans say they lost a little weight but now are eating and drinking. the markings were discovered missing on monday, the zoo saying that their habitat was intentionally compromised. i tip led police to find them in an abandoned house about 50 miles from the zoo which is offering a 25,000 dollar reward for information leading to an arrest. security has been tightened due to a series of tampering incidents, but that significant change is still needed.
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